Notes:

IMMIGRATION:
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Record
Name: Anton Seibert
Year: 1855
Place: Illinois
Source Publication Code: 8368
Primary Immigrant: Seibert, Anton
Annotation: Entries located in the Introduction are indicated in this index by the code I.
Source Bibliography: SHELLEY, JANE, and ELSIE M. WASSER, compilers. Naturalization
and Intentions of Madison County, Illinois: An Index 1816-1900. Edwardsville, Ill.: the compilers, 1983. 163p.
Page: 132

BIOGRAPHY: Hi Recs - pleasure hearing from you. Thanks for thinking, still, about the
Eisenhauer letters. I've been swamped, too, and gone little farther, but
am still very interested. I entered a couple quick comments yesterday, which you acknowledged below.
I have today exchanged emails with Sherry Mitchell, the source of the hard copy documents which substantiated my comments of yesterday... She tells me there is even more documentation (three later census reports) confirming the idea that Ferdinand Seibert was born in Rochester, New York
in 1851 rather than in Illinois (which information is listed in the 1870 and 1880 census reports). The confusion over whether Ferdinand was born in Illinois or in Rochester, New York, is not completely resolved in favor of Rochester, as far as I am concerned (and this is an important point for us
in attempting to determine when Jacob and Balthasar Seibert, both living in Rochester starting in 1850, may have left for Illinois). I apologize for not having begun to provide substantial the results of my
research into the descendants of Balthasar and Anton, those two brothers of Jacob Seibert (b. c. 1818 in Birkenhoerdt). I am close to beginning to provide you with my results, and will document each "claim" as thoroughly as possible for your records. Even before beginning to do so, however, I would like to put on paper a very important set of insights concerning Anton Seibert. He has for some
time been recorded in the online database of the Birkehoerdt Project as having "disappeared", essentially (no information re marriage or death was available). I think I know the answers to all these questions, and will outline these below. More importantly, the insight which allowed me to
make the identification of Anton Seibert of Birkenhoerdt as being the same Anton Seibert living in Belleville, Illinois by 1855 at the latest, is based on information known only to me, and which I think it is entirely possible no one could with certainly reproduce. For this reason, I'd like to go ahead now and give you the basis for this important "conclusion". (I'll sleep better knowing someone else knows this information, frankly.) Hardcore documentation proving beyond any doubt that the Anton Seibert
born in Birkenhoerdt and brother to Jacob and Balthasar was the same person as the Anton Seibert living in Belleville, Illinois in 1855 has not been found, even after a very diligent search effort. The evidence I have collected is nonetheless compelling for me, that the two Antons are the same person. My evidence is the following: In 1972 I traveled to Du Quoin, Illinois, to research Seibert family
history. I met by accident a man named Alvin Seibert, almost 80 years old, in Du Quoin. While he told me that he was a grandson of a man named Jacob Seibert, I did not know for sure whether he was a descendant of the "right" Jacob Seibert - of the man who was brother to my ancestor Caspar
Balthasar (& Margaretha Wegmann) Seibert. It was clearly possible that he and I were descended from different groups of Seiberts. Although neither he nor I was able to connect our two families with certainty, he told me what he knew about his ancestors and other Seiberts. Very promisingly, he
indicated that his grandfather Jacob had had a brother named "Balsy" - who might have been my ancestor "Balthasar" AKA "Balser". Unfortunately, and in fact very confusingly, he said that this "Balsy" had only had 2 sons, Louis and Leopold, and no daughters (when in fact my Balthasar Seibert had
only 3 daughters, Elizabeth, Kate, and Mary). (For this reason, 30 years went by after 1972, in which I was not at all convinced that Alvin Seibert and I were related at all.) He completed his account of his branch of the Seiberts - impressing me very much, incidentally, with the clearness of his recall of most of the information he remembered - stating even the names of most of the children of Louis and Leopold, as well as where Anton, Louis, and Leopold lived (near Mascoutah, Illinois). It was clear
he was speaking of definite people, and of relatives. Unfortunately, it seemed that his Jacob Seibert might be a different person from the one related to me. A few months ago, I made contact with Ms. Sherry Mitchell, online, who grew up in Du Quoin and is also descended from the same Jacob Seibert as Alvin Seibert - who she knows to be "my" Jacob Seibert of Birkenhoerdt. Thus she proved the connection of my Seiberts to those of Alvin Seibert - and simultaneously validated his stories about Louis and Leopold Seibert, etc. The problem for me switched from trying to determine whether Alvin
was related to me or not, to figuring out how his at first contradictory stories of "Balsy with two sons" could be made to fit the real facts. At this point I made a "leap of faith" and guessed, with great luck, that Anton Seibert of Birkenhoerdt might have been the father of the Louis and Leopold Seibert mentioned by Alvin Seibert, rather than "Balsy". Starting from this hypothesis, I have since been able to convincingly substantiate this hypothesis. Online searches almost immediately turned up and 1860 and 1870 census records for Anton Seibert, living with his THREE sons Jacob, Louis, and
Leopold, and wife Katherine Nebo. I also discovered the marriage record of 1855 for one "Anthony Seibert" and "Katherine Nebo". Moreover, I discovered a reference to Anton's early death in 1873, at age 46. (I believe that it is because of Anton's very early disappearance in contrast
to his brothers, each of whom died 20 to almost 30 years later, that Alvin
Seibert had no recollection of Anton Seibert.) The above information sufficed and suffices in my mind to make a compelling case for the Anton Seibert of Belleville, father of Jacob, Louis, and Leopold, having been the same person as Anton Seibert of Birkenhoerdt. As indicated above, I have diligently sought after absolute proof of their identity - have, for instance, tried all avenues to find the birth date of the Anton Seibert who died in Belleville in 1873, with no luck. His age at the time of death, however, was 46 - which is consistent with the known date of birth for the Anton Seibert of Birkenhoerdt (1827), even though this does not suffice to PROVE the two men were the same Anton Seibert. I have gone on to fairly well trace the offspring of Anton Seibert. Anton's death record at the Mascoutah Illinois old "Holy Infant Childhood Church" shows his wife's name to have been "Katherine Newa" (note spelling, in contrast to the "Nebo" spelling in their 1855 marriage record). Son Jacob Seibert died in 1878, and is buried in the same Mascoutah Old Holy Infant Childhood Cemetery as Anton (they are the only
two Seiberts in that cemetery). Jacob is identified as having been the son of Anton Seibert and Katherine Newa (I know there are 2-3 documented appearances of the spelling "Newa", and only one of "Nebo" as in the 1855 marriage). Anton's widow Katherine Newa Seibert remarried to one August Rother in the Mascoutah area before the end of the same year that Anton died. In the census of 1880, they are listed as Katherine and August Rother, and Louis and Leopold are living with them, listed as "step-sons" of August Rother. Leopold never married. Louis married and had various children, most of
whose names I had already received, amazingly, from Alvin Seibert. And so on. I look forward to sharing with you all information I have been able to discover about Anton Seibert and his descendants, and on my line (through brother Balthasar Seibert) as well, very soon. Note additionally concerning Anton Seibert's wife, Katherine Newa, that there are other people named Newa living in the Mascoutah area in the late 1800's. I am convinced that they are of the same family, although I have no proof. I speculate that Anton and Katherine Newa lived in the Mascoutah area because of her family ties there - while Jacob and Balthasar Seibert both spent most of their lives in the Du Quoin area. (Immediate
descendants of Anton Seibert lived not only in the area of Mascoutah, which is in St. Clair County, Illinois, but in adjacent "New Baden", which is in Clinton County, Illinois.) Again, I will provide more complete information about all these folks and a lot more in the very near future. Right now, however, I am all too keenly aware, at the moment, of the very "tenuous existence" of my identification of Anton Seibert in Mascoutah as the same Anton Seibert from Birkenhoerdt. A little diversification of this knowledge, which may be uniue and unreproducible, makes me feel a little better! :)
Thank you, as before, for all the hard work you are doing. It is greatly - greatly - appreciated.
My best to you and Ursula. I hope your summer weather is beautiful. With a
lot of luck, I may have the opportunity to spend a fair amount of time in
Germany next summer. I can't wait!
All the best,
Robert Donnell

DEATH: http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/prd6.htm
N - S's PROOF OF DEATH INDEX, 1870-1880, ST. CLAIR COUNTY, ILLINOIS
SEIBERT, Anton (46y.) 22 Apr 1873 P. 148; NO. 590

Anton married Catherina Newa on 22 Apr 1855 in Illinois, USA. Catherina was born on 25 Aug 1833 in Haute Clocher, Saarbourg, Lorraine, France; died on 15 Jul 1907 in Mascoutah, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; was buried in Holy Childhood of Jesus Cemetery, Mascoutah, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Louis married Catherine Gutwein on 23 Sep 1884 in Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. Catherine (daughter of Peter Gutwein and Helena Freckwinkel) was born on 5 Jul 1867 in Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; died on 10 Jun 1937 in Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; was buried on 14 Jun 1937 in Old Holy Childhood of Jesus Cemetery, Shiloh Valley, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

DEATH: Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916?1950
http://www2.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/IDPHDeathSearchServlet
SEIBERT LEOPOLD M/W Y-72 0044536 1935-10-27 ST CLAIR BELLEVILLE - -


BIOGRAPHY: Wow, Recs! You just made my day! I had been afraid I might be terribly
boring you both, and to get such a nice, interested response was really
more than I hoped for. I have a good deal more information which I look
forward to getting to you in the next few weeks, I think: This exchange
will serve to motivate me to write up my notes on the descendants of Anton
I have detected. It will be good to compare what I've found to what you
and Ursula have been able to put together on him and his, too.
I have been terribly frustrated that no documentation can be found to
prove the exact date of birth of the Anton Seibert who married Katherine
Newa (I believe she was a Catherine; that may need checking) in St. Clair
County Illinois. I have, for the record, seen a photocopy of his death
certificate; and I have seen his church burial record (which also lists
his wife as Catherine or Katherine Newa), and there is no indication of
his exact date of birth. And I believe I have taken other steps to finding
and identifying same, with no luck to date. The only remaining step that
can be taken, perhaps, is to see if there is any existing paper trace
concerning his 1855 marriage. That would be a promising lead, if only the
date in question were more recent than 1855. I promise, regardless, to get
that information, if it exists. If you wish to see copies of the
documentation I am receiving, would be happy to send that to you,
obviously.
A few interesting anecdotes about Anton's son Leopold:
- I was told by Alvin Seibert that Leopold did not marry. It is definite
that he left no children and was not married for many years, at the very
least, at the time of his death in the 1930's. However, amazingly there is
some indication he may have been married briefly as a very young man. It
may have been a very brief, one-time occurrence in his life, which, after
many decades as a batchelor, was almost forgotten late in life: He is
listed as a "batchelor" in his final census records...
- Alvin and his daughter, Mrs. Louis Fletcher, in Du Quoin in 1972,
referred to Anton's son "Leopold" not as "LEE-OH-POLD", as a good American
would, but as "LAY-POLD". The obvious original German pronunciation was
clear, and that was "pleasing", after so many years.
- Leopold's 1920 cenus (I believe it was) inquires as to whether he is
able to read and write. Amazingly, his reply is in the affirmative - and
he specifies that he does so in GERMAN! I was amazed at that point. A man
who was born around 1860, in the U.S., and lived his entire life in
Illinois - speaking German. That part of Illinois has been extremely
German, to put it mildly. In the early 1970's I attended some
"Strassenfests" in St. Clair County, where people came in from the farms
and sat around big tables, and listened to family members regaling them in
absolutely fluent German. Even today no doubt there are still people who
speak German.
- Leopold's death was a tragedy: In the 1930's, he had apparently rented
out his farm, after his own retirement, to a friend or neighbor. He -
Leopold - went out onto the farm one night, however, to investigate some
suspicious goings-on. They may have been having problems with thefts of
corn. At any rate, he apparently surprised the individual who was stealing
the corn, and that individual fired a shotgun into him - just hitting him
in the back or arm, etc., a non-life threatening wound under normal
circumstances. Leopold went to a local hospital and was recovering very
well and in good spirits - when he died suddenly, of lead poisoning (if I
remember carefully) from pellets which had not been removed. (I have the
newspaper article, and will try to send it to you.)
While I am gabbing, a couple other interesting stories come to mind:
- Katherine Newa was German-speaking (obviously, given her choice of two
Germans as husbands), but had been born in Lorraine, France. She also was
illiterate - as evidenced in her making only a "mark" (an "X") on the
death certificate of her first husband.
- I have received photocopies (horrible quality, unfortunately) of the
actual papers filed in the probate settlement for Anton Seibert's estate
(such as it was; there wasn't much to it). The papers give a wonderful
view into his whole way of life and daily activities, because every item
he owned that had any value was listed, and they were the absolute
minimum, just one table, one bed, minimal farming equipment, etc. It
makes marvelously interesting reading. Additionally, the papers include
bills for physicians' assistance during approximately a 6 month period,
leading up to his death. He obviously had taken ill with something, and
though only 42 years of age, was unable to recover. The medicines which he
was received, and which his estate had to pay for posthumously, were
obviously quack medications. His end was not only premature, but very
miserable...
- Anton died on April 22, 1873 (I hope I have the year of his death
correct here) - on the anniversary of his wedding to Katherine Newa. She
went on to marry before the end of the year - presumably because she was
totally broke and in dire straits, since she still had three young boys at
that point. I know little about August Rother, other than that he was a
"Prussian".
I do not know what value these stories will be to you, and I do need to
confirm some of the dates in them (written off the top of my head). I
thought you might enjoy hearing them, though, in anticipation of receiving
more from me in the near future.

BIOGRAPHY: Warm regards!

BIOGRAPHY: Robert Donnell

Notes:

Clinton County Illinois Marriages
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/marriages/fem/bride040.htm
SEIBERT Magdalene JUNG Julius 8/18/1910 3 160 1291

Magdalene married Julius Arthur Jung on 18 Aug 1910 in Saint Damian's Church, Damiansville, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. Julius (son of Christian A. Jung and Emma Dumont) was born on 3 May 1877 in Engelmann, Looking Glass Township, Clinton County, Illinois, USA; died on 29 Dec 1931 in Looking Glass Township, Clinton County, Illinois, USA; was buried in St. George's Catholic Cemetery, New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

DEATH: St. George?s Cemetery
Includes the old Griesbaum Cemetery
New Baden, Looking Glass Township
Clinton Co., Illinois
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2/cemetery/lookingglass/stgeorge004.htm
2 92 SEIBERT, Augusta 12 Sep 1888 10 Apr 1973 Mother. S/w Louis. Jesus Mary Joseph 2 91 SEIBERT, Louis 6 Sep 1889 7 Oct 1961 Father. S/w Augusta

Louis married Augusta Schneider on 28 Nov 1911 in Clinton County, Illinois, USA. Augusta (daughter of Frederick Schneider and Marie Unknown) was born on 12 Sep 1888 in Illinois, USA; died on 10 Apr 1973 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA; was buried in St. George?s Cemetery, New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

DEATH:
September 27 Leopold SEIBERT 55 Years

Leopold married Gertrude May Craig on 15 Jun 1917 in Illinois, USA, and was divorced. Gertrude (daughter of William H. Craig and Magdalena M. Unknown) was born on 20 Jun 1897 in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee, USA; died in 0Aug 1974 in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Leopold married Pearl Pfau about 1928, and was divorced. Pearl (daughter of Christian Pfau and Victoria Unknown) was born in 0Sep 1894 in St. Louis City, Missouri, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Johanna married Joseph S. Lindner on 1 Sep 1920 in Clinton County, Illinois, USA. Joseph was born on 6 Jun 1895 in Illinois, USA; died in 0Mar 1975 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Otto married Minnie M. Dietrich on 5 Jun 1926 in Belleville, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. Minnie was born on 23 Mar 1903 in Illinois, USA; died on 14 Nov 1994 in Belleville, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

BIOGRAPHY: Ancestors, Descendants and Allied Families of Bobby G. Cormack & Kathleen D. Weber
Entries: 15960 Updated: 2006-05-06 20:45:06 UTC (Sat)
cormack@ktc.com

Emma married George H. Lodes about 1929 in Illinois, USA. George was born on 3 Dec 1908 in Illinois, USA; died in 0Apr 1955 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Unknown Rogers. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Wilmer married Bernice E. Mattern on 15 Oct 1941 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. Bernice (daughter of Joseph Mattern and Berdelle Sommers) was born on 4 Dec 1923 in Mascoutah, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; died on 19 Oct 2008 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA; was buried on 25 Oct 2008 in Resurrection Cemetery, New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

June married Ferdinand H. Foppe on 22 Jun 1938 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. Ferdinand was born on 30 Sep 1915 in Clinton County, Illinois, USA; died on 22 Oct 1965 in Breese, Clinton County, Illinois, USA; was buried in St. Dominic's Cemetery, Breese, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Family/Spouse: Paul B. Micheel. Paul (son of Joseph T. Micheel and Elisabeth Unknown) was born on 21 May 1920 in Illinois, USA; died on 1 Jul 2001 in New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA; was buried in St. Boniface Cemetery, Germantown, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Elvira married Henry M. Schwarz in Jun 1946. Henry (son of Henry P. Schwarz and Louise A. Unknown) was born on 9 Jan 1911 in O'Fallon, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; died on 14 May 1987 in East Saint Louis, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; was buried in Resurrection Cemetery, New Baden, Clinton County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Alvin married Helen Press on 6 May 1940 in Belleville, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. Helen (daughter of Rudolph Press and Mary Orlet) was born on 10 Feb 1920 in Belleville, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; died on 31 Dec 2008 in Belleville, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA; was buried in Mascoutah City Cemetery, Mascoutah, Saint Clair County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

DEATH: Obituary and Death Notices in the Belleville News Democrat: 1994?2001
http://www.compu-type.net/rengen/stclair/94bnd01s.htm
SEIBERT CLETUS FRANCIS 69 P 2/28/1998 4B 3

Family/Spouse: Betty J. Unknown. Betty was born on 20 Nov 1928 in Illinois, USA; died on 18 Apr 1993 in Du Quoin, Perry County, Illinois, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]